Treasure Hunting (Suggestion)

[CrudStrife]

I think its more than that, insian struggles to survive before the book of law is created. They been raided and enslave in more than a decade. They only had courage to fight the narian, because the book of law made the sultans of each village to join forces and gives balance to each villages.

In my perspective insian manage to raid the narian and get their technology and created their own design of weaponry. One of them is the mirath tech, there might be other creation that they made, because the technology today is based on durability for longer battle they might be not have strong fire power but in long battle the weapons today have the advantage.

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

I think its more than that, insian struggles to survive before the book of law is created. They been raided and enslave in more than a decade. They only had courage to fight the narian, because the book of law made the sultans of each village to join forces and gives balance to each villages.

In my perspective insian manage to raid the narian and get their technology and created their own design of weaponry. One of them is the mirath tech, there might be other creation that they made, because the technology today is based on durability for longer battle they might be not have strong fire power but in long battle the weapons today have the advantage.

Have to be careful in what you write, and i would suggest you read what i wrote above, since i covered that already.
Looks to me your getting your timelines mixed up.
Before and during Qumran, Insians were nothing but labor, at the service of the Narians.
And i would time that for more than a decade.

Nawa wasnt even known nor mentioned to insians before the defeat of the Narians, so Nawa engineering happened AFTER the Age of Qumran.
Insians had no weapons then, but wood and iron, or whatever is natural ressource the planet has to offer.
This is exactly why the Narians and the Mages had the supremacy over Insians.

Its a bit like our Earth History, we always had petrol, but i dont think Louis XIV was rolling the Court with a BMW. He had horses at the time, i think.

In fact, Qumran Age and rise is very similar to Vercingetorix History.
While the whole continent (the planet in our case) fell under the Magnificent, well advanced, Roman empire (our Narians), one man stood and unified tribes and fought, held and repelled the invader.

The only difference is that Vercingetorix eventually fell, as he was too late to unify tribes, while Qumran used Magic to repel the Narians; and he wasnt even aware of the power of his magic nor the power of the Book, since he got weakened and bedridden then.

THEN, and only then, Insians were free, developed civilisations, eventually labs and researched Nawa.
That very likely didnt unfold overnight either.

As you can see, the Mirath serie is low damage, but extreme range.
I would date that post-Qumran Age, after civilisation already developed, and came to Nawa engineering. So like centuries, since its more important to build cities, law and order, than nuclear weapons, on an Historical point of view, but also energize daily life, so build ans engineer a reactor, enhance cities, then look at smaller assets like vehicules and weapons.

That give a clue that it was a primitive Hunting carbine, for getting food, rather than planning war.

Ill add to this that Sunjoqs are mentioned to have been mounts for jeefs, and also the Duhols escorting merchants throught the mountains.
None of this would a been happening if early access to Nawa manipulation/engineering would a happened earlier, since that would a meant, vehicules.

Hope this clarify a bit

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

Okay so i realize i am bringing only problems in this suggestion thread, and i really hate people who keep highlighting problems, but dont offer solutions.

Soooooo, fully back on topic, maybe, in a couple of years, when Nara can finally get Home, we will see a serie of events where a time fissure will occur, in some way, and allow us to finally travel back in time, and discover more about our murky past.
This way you could also loot wood sticks, to skill clubs, and Narian technology, since as for now, we only have the Narian scanner. And i am pretty sure Narian technology was meant to be developped ingame, at some distant future point.

And maaaaaaybe, in a few years, when @Eugenio Anhithe Wilde runs out of idea, of closes the final chapter of the actual storyline, he would write a little book about the full past story of Toulan

Both would be pretty cool and educating, i think.

That would make people happy, even me!

 

[Hally]

With all respect to the timeline and the story that you cover so well Eleni, i dont see it as to much of a stretch if small pockets of insian insurgents, managed to either get tec from elsewhere, create some of their own or even steal from their masters, the mages might even have created things for their loyal servants, i can also see them having reworked hunting tools, magic imbued weapons and or simply crude yet powerfull melee weapons. This could be sorta relics and artifacts.

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

With all respect to the timeline and the story that you cover so well Eleni, i dont see it as to much of a stretch if small pockets of insian insurgents, managed to either get tec from elsewhere, create some of their own or even steal from their masters, the mages might even have created things for their loyal servants, i can also see them having reworked hunting tools, magic imbued weapons and or simply crude yet powerfull melee weapons. This could be sorta relics and artifacts.

It could be, but the Mages were kept in check by the Book of Law holder aswell, so they were not free spirits, except between the Age of Qumran, and until Sinmar get his hand on the Book again.
But by this time, there were Safians, and the only sight of them kept the Mages quiet.

Though you are right that the whole pre-Qumran period doesnt mention the Mages at all. We only know that their thirst of power developed overtime, since they seemed pretty loyal to Qumran, once he became Sultan.

That period could have indeed gave birth to Magic artifact; this is, after all, with the help of the Mages that Sinmar rebuilt Toulan.

My call only came against Nawa engineering, which is extremely unlikely to have happened before, during nor right after Qumran.

Magic, yes. And thats pretty all the power the Insians had at this time.

 

[CrudStrife]

Have to be careful in what you write, and i would suggest you read what i wrote above, since i covered that already.
Looks to me your getting your timelines mixed up.
Before and during Qumran, Insians were nothing but labor, at the service of the Narians.
And i would time that for more than a decade.

Nawa wasnt even known nor mentioned to insians before the defeat of the Narians, so Nawa engineering happened AFTER the Age of Qumran.
Insians had no weapons then, but wood and iron, or whatever is natural ressource the planet has to offer.
This is exactly why the Narians and the Mages had the supremacy over Insians.

Its a bit like our Earth History, we always had petrol, but i dont think Louis XIV was rolling the Court with a BMW. He had horses at the time, i think.

In fact, Qumran Age and rise is very similar to Vercingetorix History.
While the whole continent (the planet in our case) fell under the Magnificent, well advanced, Roman empire (our Narians), one man stood and unified tribes and fought, held and repelled the invader.

The only difference is that Vercingetorix eventually fell, as he was too late to unify tribes, while Qumran used Magic to repel the Narians; and he wasnt even aware of the power of his magic nor the power of the Book, since he got weakened and bedridden then.

THEN, and only then, Insians were free, developed civilisations, eventually labs and researched Nawa.
That very likely didnt unfold overnight either.

As you can see, the Mirath serie is low damage, but extreme range.
I would date that post-Qumran Age, after civilisation already developed, and came to Nawa engineering. So like centuries, since its more important to build cities, law and order, than nuclear weapons, on an Historical point of view, but also energize daily life, so build ans engineer a reactor, enhance cities, then look at smaller assets like vehicules and weapons.

That give a clue that it was a primitive Hunting carbine, for getting food, rather than planning war.

Ill add to this that Sunjoqs are mentioned to have been mounts for jeefs, and also the Duhols escorting merchants throught the mountains.
None of this would a been happening if early access to Nawa manipulation/engineering would a happened earlier, since that would a meant, vehicules.

Hope this clarify a bit

Your right on those things but in quaran age. How does that age even created does quanran age use wood and stone only? It cant be only that, they cant secretly create weapon like knife and simple swords. At least knifes for making leather texture. They also can escape that time there is no way they cant, and those escaper can create their own village and 1 became a sultan. In civilazation there is no evolution if there nothing happening before that age like quanran. Also if narian also already stronger, why they want to be more powerful if they don't loss a thing.

Also the things that has been pass is becoming an artifact into later ages, not all in text gives the happenings in one location with out knowledge they cant write or read. That is why those hidden things are very important, as for archeologist job is to uncover mysteries of the past from square one to present. If it is in real life why the tribes still using spear and knife while the technology is already very vast, because they have not doing any war like and stealing something on others. It happens in Afghanistan there is a lot of sultan because of war they manage to acquire technology and create their own.

PS: I been reading every single history in this forum, and analyze them to uncover the things that have been happen before the so called ages. A pack cant became one of the ages without unification.

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

[...] How does that age even created does quanran age use wood and stone only? It cant be only that, they cant secretly create weapon like knife and simple swords. At least knifes for making leather texture. [...]

I mentioned wood and iron, but never stone, so we can agree on that, farmer tools.

[...] They also can escape that time there is no way they cant, and those escaper can create their own village and 1 became a sultan. [...]

Qumran did rise and shine during the supremacy reign of the Narians, so it happened indeed.

[...] Also if narian also already stronger, why they want to be more powerful if they don't loss a thing. [...]

Because the existence of the Astrolabe tell us this.

Also the things that has been pass is becoming an artifact into later ages, not all in text gives the happenings in one location with out knowledge they cant write or read. That is why those hidden things are very important, as for archeologist job is to uncover mysteries of the past from square one to present.

Not sure what you mean by all this, but the Oracle did pass the knowledge up to today, and there has not been any total annhilation either; not during Qumran, neither during the Eagle War apocalypse. The existence of the 12 Warriors statues tell us just this, people survived, even the fallouts.

[...] If it is in real life why the tribes still using spear and knife while the technology is already very vast, [...]

There wasnt any "vast" technology. In fact, the only known Narian Technology is the Scanner.
Narians are people of magic.
They can naturally manipulate Nawa, and that seems enough to reduce a planet to Slavery.

PS: I been reading every single history in this forum, and analyze them to uncover the things that have been happen before the so called ages. A pack cant became one of the ages without unification.

Please could you share a link? I am curious now... I dont think there are any record of the Pre-Qumran Age, but i may be very much wrong.
I am glad you enjoyed the Storyline though

 

[FireFist]

doesnt have to be "Treasure" though Toulans new thing could be somehting like "Nawa Artifacts" or just "artifacts"

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

Like Hally rightfully mentioned, which is something i absolutely never thought about, Magic artifacts would just be a perfect fit.

Lets not forget Toulan also means "Overly Magical", nor its forsaken Génie.

 

[FireFist]

Like Hally rightfully mentioned, which is something i absolutely never thought about, Magic artifacts would just be a perfect fit.

Lets not forget Toulan also means "Overly Magical", nor its forsaken Génie.

yea 100% i missed that response >< but, yea even Magical Artifacts either way Ark can have their treasures thats np. doesnt limit other PP's from having their own. Ant is the Big Brain on these things so, im sure he could figure out whats right I like any of them tbh but, yea Toulan is about the whole magical Nawa theme still waiting for the magical carpet but, i can wait

 

[CrudStrife]

I mentioned wood and iron, but never stone, so we can agree on that, farmer tools.

I said stones because in simple knowledge iron can be called as a strong stone its a primitive calling to stones. Insian's might start with that meanwhile the narian are already have magic at birth.

Not sure what you mean by all this, but the Oracle did pass the knowledge up to today, and there has not been any total annhilation either; not during Qumran, neither during the Eagle War apocalypse. The existence of the 12 Warriors statues tell us just this, people survived, even the fallouts.

Oracle really going to pass knowledge to warn others, what they foresaw before everything is going to happen. But still the thing is every oracle cannot tell what happens in the past without experiencing it, it would lead to create journals to pass it other oracle to tell what happen it the past.

The 12 warriors is a great existence, they most likely the one who could fight narian's out of bay. And gain knowledge of how the narian's harness their magic over time. But there are things they might have learn from single magic seal into a big one that is why they able to create a barrier later on.

There wasnt any "vast" technology. In fact, the only known Narian Technology is the Scanner.

This scanner they made most likely to be used to measure the magic power and capacity of one narian at the time.

Please could you share a link? I am curious now... I dont think there are any record of the Pre-Qumran Age, but i may be very much wrong.

This what happen before I post and give me curiosity of this races. first I read about mages first Characters of Toulan – Three Mages its really vauge information so I continue the read the episode one Tale of Toulan, episode 1 they triumphs and tragedies means they won several skirmishes in the past but in the end they lost and became slaves again that cycles are repeating over and over. So astrolabe is one of the engineer, meanwhile this have got into my head how did he get that information to make research there must be at least single subject that uses nawa and give him inspiration to create such a great engineering. I got a lot of question to myself that time so I look first who is quamran from this link Characters of Toulan – Qumran the first thing I notice is the picture he seems to been manipulated. So I got more question and get my curiosity run wild because the 4w's is not supplied ouh. Then I continue reading until episode 3 then read about those evil things the narian from Characters of Toulan – Narians there so much missing details so I visionize the 4w's like what happen, why they became like that, where they mostly spend their life, when they hate insians I think its because of the safian was born. why only 4w's while it is 5w's because [who] is already supplied. That time I suspected that the toulan have different map than the new one.

The next thing I still read the sinmar its part of the history anyway the link is Characters of Toulan – Sinmar still every little information as the others. Then I go back and read the current story about queen nara. Until later the Toulan's History summuary posted the most amazing one information and very detail, great job eleni. Thats the thing I havent read yet last time it took me a lot of time to read that.

PS: I really cant reply last night because I cant call it night its almost 3 am which is morning @-@ my eye cant stay open that time so I went to bend . Also why I made this suggestion is because those triumph means a lot, those rustic and broken items became treasures in the present that archeologist really love. Those raids and skirmishes made triumph of all time but those have left more hatred to narian I guarantee

 

[CrudStrife]

yea 100% i missed that response >< but, yea even Magical Artifacts either way Ark can have their treasures thats np. doesnt limit other PP's from having their own. Ant is the Big Brain on these things so, im sure he could figure out whats right I like any of them tbh but, yea Toulan is about the whole magical Nawa theme still waiting for the magical carpet but, i can wait

I really like those magical artifacts when I got here on toulan. But I have not yet to reach and set foot there so I dont know what is going on ark. The one thing I had in mind where is the magical items that rivals the mindforce chips, it might be buried underground or turned into scattered pieces but those narian item is not friendly items unless it is only the scanner, I really like the magical carpet if it was implemented

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

I said stones because in simple knowledge iron can be called as a strong stone its a primitive calling to stones. Insian's might start with that meanwhile the narian are already have magic at birth.

Very well, but the storyline as we inow it starts from Qumran age, and he wears a metal armor, as well as carry a sword, so does his followers, so i dated the start of the storyline from an iron Age.
Of course, Insians may have been monkeys, at some point in the past, heehee.

Oracle really going to pass knowledge to warn others, what they foresaw before everything is going to happen. But still the thing is every oracle

There has only been one and only Oracle on Toulan, so she experienced it all.
That good old Dear is litterally living the dream

The 12 warriors is a great existence, they most likely the one who could fight narian's out of bay.

Narians threat was already sealed behind the dimentional gate, under Qumran at this point, since the 12 warriors are the ones who defended Al-Nahar (built after Qumran Age) during the Eagle Head war.
It is the Mages who were the threat.
There was still Narians on the planet, during the Age of Sinmar, but this was an Age of peace, as he married the Narian Princess Dia.
The Mages tryied to reactivate the Astrolabe to summon the Narians, which is the reason that created the war, but i dont think they succeeded, nothing tell us so anyway, i think.

This scanner they made most likely to be used to measure the magic power and capacity of one narian at the time.

The scanner was just like we see it today. Nothing but its description gives us any clue, but its names translation, which sounds devious and ill intended.

I Tale of Toulan, episode 1 they triumphs and tragedies

As you can see, this tragedies and triumphs are in italic, which in litterature, means a narration, from a character to the reader.

It is like she is telling you to sit down, and will count you the story of a great man, who triumphed.

That is not triumphs from before Qumran, but his own.

So we still havent any pre-Qumran story.

So astrolabe is one of the engineer,

Astrolabe is indeed engineered, but either created by the Narians, or the Mages.
This was clearly not an Insian device, and we only know that the Mages knew how to repair it.
And it is a magic device, not a nawa engineered device.

Characters of Toulan – Qumran the first thing I notice is the picture he seems to been manipulated.

Qumran was certainly not manipulated.
He was strong, fearsome, of great magic power, fought his way and gained, then rallied the people, then the Oracle.

the narian from Characters of Toulan – Narians there so much missing details so I visionize the 4w's like what happen, why they became like that, where they mostly spend their life, when they hate insians

It is clearly explained that the Narians only want to make Nawa their own.
This is their only reason.

The next thing I still read the sinmar its part of the history anyway the link is Characters of Toulan – Sinmar still every little information as the others.

Sinmar is actually the persona with the most details.
We know a lot about him.
Hes a distant descent of Qumran, met the Oracle, went on a quest to find the lost Mages, met the Princess Dia, who gave birth to our actual Queen; seeked to rebuild the whole of Toulan with the help of the Mages, which he partially did, then got assassinated.

Until later the Toulan's History summuary posted the most amazing one information and very detail, great job eleni. Thats the thing I havent read yet last time it took me a lot of time to read that.

Thank you SO much ❤

 

[Eleni Von Estlla]

And i think I have been talking long enough, and i personally start feeling bad for taking over the thread.
So ill leave it to this, and let you enjoy the Toulan Storyline section.

If i may make a last comment, ill say that we are lucky enough to have the storyline being taken care of, at each event/VU, and that we will learn more, get precisions, and lift the veil of suspicions over our past, as time goes.

Really enjoying so many people picking their interest in the lore now!!
E~